Friday, July 2, 2010

An Interesting thread that got cut off Part 1

Here is the first part of an interesting thread that got cut off just as we were getting into what IMO was some very interesting discussion. I think TheWM was wrong, wrong, wrong, (and I'm sure he thinks the same about me) but his arguments were more interesting and cogent than 99% of the users I talk to on Huffpo.  This is one of the things that I find most annoying about The Huffington Post. You can talk about the latest star on American Idol to your heart's content but as soon as you start getting into an interesting political discussion you get cut off because you may use a forbidden word or phrase such as genocide, holocaust, or zionism.


beninabox1   01:10 PM on 6/24/2010
yep, stalin hitler and roosevelt were religously motivated. Must have missed those speeches.



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TheWM   01:21 PM on 6/24/2010
As a leftist atheist I'm used to debating against the Stalin-was-as-bad-as-Hitler meme, which has morphed into the Stalin-was-much-much-worse-than-Hitler meme -- but did you just lump Hitler, Stalin and Roosevelt together? Seriously?


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RedDogBear   02:26 PM on 6/24/2010
Well we agree putting Roosevelt there was ridiculous. But I'm about as left wing as they come and I think Hitler and Stalin were more or less the same. Hitler was more psychotic I think especially toward the end. And Stalin more the controlled sociopath.

Now if we were comparing say Lenin or Trotsky to Hitler I would agree with you. That's about as sensible as comparing Roosevelt to Hitler. Lenin could be ruthless in consolidating his power but if you read actual history George Washington had his ruthless moments too. But Stalin was just a butcher IMO.
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RedDogBear   02:36 PM on 6/24/2010
One more point. I do agree that the fear of Stalin as a threat to the world has been vastly overblown. He never had the chance and was never all that interested in conquering the world. He was concerned with (and understandably given the devastation the Russian people suffered in WWII) with securing Russia's security against future invasions.
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TheWM   03:45 PM on 6/24/2010
"I do agree that the fear of Stalin as a threat to the world has been vastly overblown. He never had the chance and was never all that interested in conquering the world."

And yet you still think he was as bad as Hitler?

Hm. One of us is surely missing something.

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